let me start this post, referring to my previous post regarding this topic, as i am going to jump to the questions, the answer and my comments on it, with no introduction.
For your second question it would depend on the situation and what I saw. It would be a very tough decision and am glad I was never in fact put in that situation. However, if it was something out of the ordinary and obviously a violation of human rights I would probably talk it over with my commanders and let them know. It would then probably be up to them to decide what to do with such a case. Most likely if there was such a situation I wouldn’t be the only one witnessing it, and others in my unit (knowing my guys well) would report it or stop the violation as it happens. If it’s in the middle of a combat stressful situation i’m not sure how I would react if I saw something. It’s definitely a tough call and anyone put in such a situation would have a hard time making a decision one way or another. However, I can also tell you that on average these cases and incidents are relatively low and when they do happen those responsible are prosecuted and punished quite harshly(3.2).
1- The Israeli Army is overall a very humane army
I am sorry, WHAT? first of all, since when armies “in general” are humane? since when an armed man is humane?
Armed man is an Armed man, I am sorry but you can NEVER call any army Humane.
The IDF in particular has a long records of human right violations, and mass killing of unarmed civilians intentionally or by what’s called “mistake”.
First of all, the IDF or the Haganah(as it used to be called then), took part of Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Historical Palestine, they destroyed and ethnically cleansed 531 Palestinian villages and cities, forcing 750 thousand of it’s resident to become refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and all over the world, killing more than 15 thousand in process. whether by mass killing such as the massacre of Dair Yassen, or by opening fire on refuges caravans, to rush them out, and kill some for fun!! Very human.
Second, the mass killing in the 50’s. In November 12, 1956 just few days after the IDF invaded Gaza strips, The IDF troops in Khanyounes refuge camp called all men (between age 16-60) to gather in the UNRWA school, that day, over 500 soul have been claimed by the IDF. another 100 were killed in Rafah refuge camp.
Not to forget, KufrَQassem Massacre that took place in October 29, 1956, where 48 civilian were killed by the Israeli border police.
Jumping to 1982 “Sabra and Shatila” I know the IDF didn’t do it, and I also know that IDF soldiers (individuals) were the one who stopped it, yet IDF commanders ordered unites to provide the murderer (Phalanges) with logistic support, either by providing trucks and bulldozer or by lighting the nights. Wanna Denies it!? ask the guy from Waltz with Bashir
The popular Intefada of Palestinian in the west bank and Gaza strip broke out in late 1987, back then, Israeli Army used tear gas, rubbers(Metal covered with thin rubber) bullets and live Bullets including explosive ones, to control the revolting population.
Kinda human comparing to what Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin (later Prime Minister) ordered his men to do!.
Break their Bones. by doing so the IDF has become the fist policing forces to use physical punishment against civilian “I mean Physical as beating youth until they break their bones, not shooting, which sound pretty human in this case!” the other countries that used such punishment are usually labeled (by, the so called civilized white man) as brutal dictatorship or religious fanatic state.. such as, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and many African state!
I guess the following videos explain the break the bones policy better!
I love the term “Quite harshly”, implying the punishment is much worse than the crime, but lets take 1956 massacres of 48 Palestinian civilians in Kafar Qassem “PS: those civilian are supposed to be Israeli Citizen”
the soldiers who committed the crime were all suntanned for jail time from 17 years max, to 8 year minimum, Yet, the last one was released early 1960. At the same time the commander who gave the order Beskhar Shadmi was fined 1 Israeli Penny. and that’s it, this is how much Palestinian life worth.
I guess this is enough, example of the Israeli justice system, when it come to Palestinian(Arab as they call us), needless to say almost every investigation the IDF conducted ended up by saying, “Not Guilty” the Flotilla incident is the latest example, I recall.
Seeking Justice from your oppressor is like seeking………….
4-protests all around the middle east sometimes violent does break out
this generalizing, I strongly refuse, it’s also very offensive, I felt like violence only break in middle east during protest. UK, USA and Europe Protest usually go smoothly, with no violence.(the white man riot is more civilized than brown man riot)
3 words, WTO, Seatle, USA.
Lets talk about violence in middle east, by taking the latest Arab revolutions as an example.
1- Tunis: almost NO violence, the killing that took place by the governments thugs and Police.
2- Egypt: No Violence, other than the Police, and the governments thugs and the released prisoners by the gov. the protesters burned Police stations, is something totally understandable, specially when you consider the fact, every police station in Egypt had a torture room.
So, is this away of saying we are going to use the same mean the Arab regimes used. well. the IDF already used teargas, rubber bullets, live bullets and even air strikes against civilian “they did strikes civilian protest to break the siege on Rafah in 2005, not sure about the date, but those children shredded body is unforgeable scene”.
5-tough but well thought out questions.
no point really, just a nice acknowledgement for my smartassness.
In the end, I must say, I am not demonizing Individuals who served or still serves in the Israeli Occupation Forces. as Human, I strongly believe, we all posses the same amount of qualities, taking it from any race or ethnicity, is like taking it from us all.